Thursday, April 21, 2016

Dawn of Justice Vs Civil War




I'm not really a proponent of comparing Marvel and DC.  It implies that there is a competition there and that both movie series should be judged on the same criteria, and by association, this leads to compare the two rather than just enjoy them.  If anything, DC will be benefiting from Marvel in the same way Marvel benefit from DC's Dark Knight trilogy, in the same way the Dark Knight Trilogy benefit from Spiderman (in particular, Spiderman 2) bringing a new perspective in what super hero movies could be.  Neither would be where they are now without the efforts of the other. 

But, people are going to do it anyway.

So, yeah, Dawn of Justice (DoJ) and Civil War both feature two of our favorite heroes squaring off against each other and they both happen in 2016 within about a month and half of each other.  That's basically where the similarities end though.  And, as side note, if we're being honest, doesn't Iron Man fight everyone, all the time?  Iron Man 2, he fights War Machine.  Avengers, he fights Thor and almost picks a fight with Cap.  Avengers 2, he fights Hulk. It basically comes with the territory with Iron Man.  If you're in a movie with him, he will probably pick a fight with you.  I personally love it.  I hope he picks a fight with everyone.  He should start an Iron Man fight club.

I'm going to point out first, this is petty.  I'm going to be petty.  Extremely.  I just feel like, if comparisons are going to be drawn, they should at least be done in a way that makes sense.  A person can prefer DC or Marvel, or prefer Iron Man or Batman, and as a result, the movies themselves can't really be judged based on whatever formulaic rendering the directors have chosen.  Critics seem to thrive in this arena of personal preference, proclaiming DC a failure and Marvel a success.

To be objective, it seems like it makes more sense to use box office earnings.  Critics are applauding the drop off in successive weekend earnings for DoJ, heralding the end of the DC universe before it gets going. So, it's clearly something that people who don't like what DC is doing will use when they think it benefits that argument at that moment.  Box office earnings aren't an opinion of a fanboy or critic, it's just raw earnings.  It seems like that would be a valid way to gauge franchise performance.  The box office draw of the movies as the respective franchises move forward should, hypothetically, reflect the health of the franchise as a whole.

Dawn of Justice isn't a full franchise movie like the Avengers or even Civil War despite it being a 'Captain America' movie.  DoJ is a set up movie, introducing additional characters to launch their larger, extended universe.  Dawn of Justice is the 2nd movie of the DC Extended Universe (DCEU), whereas Civil War represents the 13th movie for the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU). There's a good character pool to reach back on after 13 movies, as well as character development and story telling.

I think it's safe to say that the MCU is considered a success.  Critics seem to think so.  It's hard to argue.  You don't make 13 movies and 7 spin off TV shows if it's not.  So, if all that makes sense and is an acceptable bar in gauging how a comic franchise performs and is considered successful, then comparable box office earnings should reflect a similar level of success or failure for DC.  Savvy?

Man of Steel being the first DC outing for their extended universe, functions the same way Marvel's Iron Man did.  It was the first film, and the announcement that they were "part of a bigger universe" as Nick Fury explained in the first Marvel easter egg.


As the opening volley of their particular franchises, Iron Man and Man of Steel performed relative to each other. If the MCU is considered a success and this was the performance of it's first outing, and Man of Steel performed similarly, then DC at this point should be on the path to similar results. 

Marvel's 2nd movie was The Incredible Hulk, which didn't do so great.  Generally disliked by critics, which I suppose isn't all that different from Dawn of Justice.  I liked Incredible Hulk, and I loved Dawn of Justice, so I guess I don't agree with the critics on either movie.  But, the movie was tarnished before release by some bad media in regards to Marvel and Edward Norton not seeing eye-to-eye.  For arguments sake, it seems like Iron Man 2 had more in common with Dawn of Justice in that it introduced additional characters to the world (War Machine, Black Widow, Nick Fury) that had important roles in the story line.  It also didn't suffer from the bad press before release that hindered The Incredible Hulk.  I'll include all 3 just to provide perspective though. 


  Right now, Dawn of Justice seems to be tracking for a similar performance as Iron Man 2.  If this constitutes a success in the MCU, then it seems pretty fair to say it's a success by the same standards for the DCEU.

Apparently WB agrees, Suicide Squad is coming.  Wonder Woman is in post production, Justice League Part 1 just started production.  WB is moving the ball down the court.  I think it's a good play for them.  DC has an all together different tone from Marvel, which I'm enjoying.  I love what Marvel is doing, I love what DC is doing.  And it looks like DC is on track to enjoy the same level of success as Marvel for right now.  That's lead to some amazing stories from Marvel, and I hope it does the same for DC.

Friday, April 8, 2016

Arrowverse Viewing Guide

Arrow, Flash, Vixen and Legends of Tomorrow are on CW.  Constantine was on NBC.  Supergirl is on CBS.  With Constantine canceled, and Matt Ryan reprising his role on Arrow as Constantine, and Flash jumping to CBS's dimension in Supergirl, I've included them in the viewing guide and based the viewing order on the release schedule. *Supergirl has been brought to CW now, so I don't know if this will confuse things and make them easier to follow.*  Gotham isn't included because it hasn't been sucked into the Arrowverse yet.  It's unlikely it will be.  But if it is, I'll add it to the list. 

I found a hiccup in the release schedule however.  Supergirl -World's Finest features the Flash pop in to their Earth with the Tachyon Enhancer on his chest.  But he doesn't wear it until The Flash - Versus Zoom, where in the episode he creates a pocket and disapears for a brief second, only to come back and ask how long he's been gone.  Obviously, that's where World's Finest takes place, but leaves them out of order with release.  What I did here was create an alternate viewing guide to line those up. 

Also, there are some throw away comments Supergirl Season 2 that reference the events of the 1978 Superman. They are just head nods, but creates a bit of latitude to retcon the original films into the Arrowverse. 

I'll loop back and update  this periodically.

(Optional)

Superman: The Movie
Superman 2
Superman 3
Superman 4: The Quest for Peace
Superman Returns
Arrow 101 Pilot 1 10/10/12
Arrow 102 Honor Thy Father 1 10/17/12
Arrow 103 Lone Gunmen 1 10/24/12
Arrow 104 An Innocent Man 1 10/31/12
Arrow 105 Damaged 1 11/07/12
Arrow 106 Legacies 1 11/14/12
Arrow 107 Muse of Fire 1 11/28/12
Arrow 108 Vendetta 1 12/05/12
Arrow 109 Year's End 1 12/12/12
Arrow 110 Burned 1 01/16/13
Arrow 111 Trust But Verify 1 01/23/13
Arrow 112 Vertigo 1 01/30/13
Arrow 113Betrayal 1 02/06/13
Arrow 114 The Odyssey 1 02/13/13
Arrow 115 Dodger 1 02/20/13
Arrow 116 Dead to Rights 1 02/27/13
Arrow 117 The Huntress Returns 1 03/20/13
Arrow 118 Salvation 1 03/27/13
Arrow 119 Unfinished Business 1 04/03/13
Arrow 120 Home Invasion 1 04/24/13
Arrow 121 The Undertaking 1 05/01/13
Arrow 122 Darkness on the Edge of Town 1 05/08/13
Arrow 123 Sacrifice 1 05/15/13
Arrow 201 City of Heroes 2 10/09/13
Arrow 202 Identity 2 10/16/13
Arrow 203 Broken Dolls 2 10/23/13
Arrow 204 Crucible 2 10/30/13
Arrow 205 League of Assassins 2 11/06/13
Arrow 206 Keep Your Enemies Closer 2 11/13/13
Arrow 207 State v Queen 2 11/20/13
Arrow 208 The Scientist 2 12/04/13
Arrow 209Three Ghosts 2 12/11/13
Arrow 210 Blast Radius 2 01/15/14
Arrow 211 Blind Spot 2 01/22/14
Arrow 212 Tremors 2 01/29/14
Arrow 213 Heir to the Demon 2 02/05/14
Arrow 214 Time of Death 2 02/26/14
Arrow 215 The Promise 2 03/05/14
Arrow 216 Suicide Squad 2 03/19/14
Arrow 217 Birds of Prey 2 03/26/14
Arrow 218 Deathstroke 2 04/02/14
Arrow 219 The Man Under the Hood 2 04/16/14
Arrow 220 Seeing Red 2 04/23/14
Arrow 221 City of Blood 2 04/23/14
Arrow 222 Streets of Fire 2 05/07/14
Arrow 223 Unthinkable 2 05/14/14
Flash 101 City of Herores 1 10/07/14
Arrow 301 The Calm 3 10/08/14
Flash 102 Fastest Man Alive 1 10/14/14
Arrow 302 Sara 3 10/15/14
Flash 103 Things You Can't Outrun 1 10/21/14
Arrow 303 Corto Maltese 3 10/22/14
Constantine 101 Non Est Asylum 1 10/24/14
Flash 104 Going Rogue 1 10/28/14
Arrow 304 The Magician 3 10/29/14
Constantine 102 The Darkness Beneath 1 10/31/14
Arrow 305 The Secret Origin of Felicity Smoak 3 11/05/14
Constantine 103 The Devil's Vinyl 1 11/07/14
Flash 105 Plastique 1 11/11/14
Arrow 306 Guilty 3 11/12/14
Constantine 104 A Feast of Friends 1 11/14/14
Flash 106 The Flash is Born 1 11/18/14
Arrow 307 Draw Back Your Bow 3 11/19/14
Constantine 105 Danse Vaudou 1 11/21/14
Flash 107 Power Outage 1 11/25/14
Constantine 106 The Rage of Caliban 1 11/28/14
Flash 108 Flash Vs Arrow 1 12/02/14
Arrow 308 The Brave and the Bold 3 12/03/14
Constantine 107 Blessed Are the Damned 1 12/05/14
Flash 109 The Man in the Yellow Suit 1 12/09/14
Arrow 309 The Climb 3 12/10/14
Constantine 108 The Saint of Last Resorts 1 12/12/14
Constantine 109 The Saint of Last Resorts: Part Two 1 01/16/15
Flash 110 Revenge of the Rogues 1 01/20/15
Arrow 310 Left Behind 3 01/21/15
Constantine 110 Quid Pro Quo 1 01/23/15
Flash 111 The Sound and the Fury 1 01/27/15
Arrow 311 Midnight City 3 01/28/15
Constantine 111 A Whole World Out There 1 01/30/15
Flash 112 Crazy for You 1 02/03/15
Arrow 312 Uprising 3 02/04/15
Constantine 112 Angels and Ministers of Grace 1 02/06/15
Flash 113 The Nuclear Man 1 02/10/15
Arrow 313 Canaries 3 02/11/15
Constantine 113 Waiting for the Man 1 02/13/15
Flash 114 Fallout 1 02/17/15
Arrow 314 The Return 3 02/18/15
Arrow 315 Nanda Parbat 3 02/25/15
Flash 115 Out of Time 1 03/17/15
Arrow 316 The Offer 3 03/18/15
Flash 116 Rogue Time 1 03/24/15
Arrow 317 Suicidal Tendencies 3 03/25/15
Flash 117 Tricksters 1 03/31/15
Arrow 318 Public Enemy 3 04/01/15
Flash 118 All Star Team Up 1 04/14/15
Arrow 319 Broken Arrow 3 04/15/15
Flash 119 Who Is Harrison Wells? 1 04/21/15
Arrow 320 The Fallen 3 04/22/15
Flash 120 The Trap 1 04/28/15
Arrow 321 Al Sah-Him 3 04/29/15
Flash 121 Grodd Lives 1 05/05/15
Arrow 322 This is Your Sword 3 05/06/15
Flash 122 Rogue Air 1 05/12/15
Arrow 323 My Name is Oliver Queen 3 05/13/15
Flash 123 Fast Enough 1 05/19/15
Vixen 101 Episode 1 1 08/25/15
Vixen 102 Episode 2 1 09/01/15
Vixen 103 Episode 3 1 09/08/15
Vixen 104 Episode 4 1 09/15/15
Vixen 105 Episode 5 1 09/22/15
Vixen 106 Episode 6 1 09/29/15
Flash 201 The Man Who Saved Central City 2 10/06/15
Arrow 401 Green Arrow 4 10/07/15
Flash 202 Flash of Two Worlds 2 10/13/15
Arrow 402 The Candidate 4 10/14/15
Flash 203 Family of Rogues 2 10/20/15
Arrow 403 Restoration 4 10/21/15
Supergirl 101 Pilot 1 10/26/15
Flash 204 The Fury of Firestorm 2 10/27/15
Arrow 404 Beyond Redemption 4 10/28/15
Supergirl 102 Stronger Together 1 11/02/15
Flash 205 The Darkness and the Light 2 11/03/15
Arrow 405 Haunted 4 11/04/15
Supergirl 103 Fight of Flight 1 11/09/15
Flash 206 Enter Zoom 2 11/10/15
Arrow 406 Lost Souls 4 11/11/15
Supergirl 104 Livewire 1 11/16/15
Flash 207 Gorilla Warfare 2 11/17/15
Arrow 407 Brotherhood 4 11/18/15
Supergirl 105 How Does She Do it? 1 11/23/15
Supergirl 106 Red Faced 1 11/30/15
Flash 208 Legends of Today Part 1 2 12/01/15
Arrow 408 Legends of Yesterday Part 2 4 12/02/15
Supergirl 107 Human for a Day 1 12/07/15
Flash 209 Running to Stand Still 2 12/08/15
Arrow 409 Dark Waters 4 12/09/15
Supergirl 108 Hostile Takeover 1 12/14/15
Supergirl 109 Blood Bonds 1 01/04/16
Supergirl 110 Childish Things 1 01/18/16
Flash 210 Potential Energy 2 01/19/16
Arrow 410 Blood Debts 4 01/20/16
Legends of Tomorrow 101 Pilot Part 1 1 01/21/16
Supergirl 111 Strange Visitor from Another Planet 1 01/25/16
Flash 211 The Reverse-Flash Returns 2 01/26/16
Arrow 411 A.W.O.L. 4 01/27/16
Legends of Tomorrow 102 Pilot Part 2 1 01/28/16
Supergirl 112 Bizarro 1 02/01/16
Flash 212 Fast Lane 2 02/02/16
Arrow 412 Unchained 4 02/03/16
Legends of Tomorrow 103 Blood Ties 1 02/04/16
Supergirl 113 For the Girl Who Has Everything 1 02/08/16
Flash 213 Welcome to Earth-2 2 02/09/16
Arrow 413 Sins of the Father 4 02/10/16
Legends of Tomorrow 104 White Knights 1 02/11/16
Flash 214 Escape from Earth-2 2 02/16/16
Arrow 414 Code of Silence 4 02/17/16
Legends of Tomorrow 105 Fail-Safe 1 02/18/16
Supergirl 114 Truth, Justice and the American Way 1 02/22/16
Flash 215 King Shark 2 02/23/16
Arrow 415 Taken 4 02/24/16
Legends of Tomorrow 106 Star City 2046 1 02/25/16
Supergirl 115 Solitude 1 02/29/16
Legends of Tomorrow 107 Marooned 1 03/03/16
Legends of Tomorrow 108 Night of the Hawk 1 03/10/16
Supergirl 116 Falling 1 03/14/16
Supergirl 117 Manhunter 1 03/21/16
Flash 216 Trajectory 2 03/22/16
Arrow 416 Broken Hearts 4 03/23/16
Supergirl 118 World's Finest 1 03/28/16
Flash 217 Flash Back 2 03/29/16
Arrow 417 Beacon of Hope 4 03/30/16
Legends of Tomorrow 109 Left Behind 1 03/31/16
Arrow 418 Eleven-Fifty-Nine 4 04/06/16
Legends of Tomorrow 110 Progeny 1 04/07/16
Supergirl 119 Myriad 1 04/11/16
Legends of Tomorrow 111 The Magnificent Eight 1 04/14/16
Supergirl 120 Better Angels 1 04/18/16
Flash 218 Versus Zoom 2 04/19/16
Legends of Tomorrow 112 Last Refuge 1 04/21/16
Flash 219 Back to Normal 2 04/26/16
Arrow 419 Canary Cry 4 04/27/16
Legends of Tomorrow 113 Leviathan 1 04/28/16
Flash 220 Rupture 2 05/03/16
Arrow 420 Genesis 4 05/04/16
Legends of Tomorrow 114 River of Time 1 05/05/16
Flash 221 The Runaway Dinosaur 2 05/10/16
Arrow 421 Monument Point 4 05/11/16
Legends of Tomorrow 115 Destiny 1 05/12/16
Flash 222 Invincible 2 05/17/16
Arrow 422 Lost in the Flood 4 05/18/16
Legends of Tomorrow 116 Legendary 1 05/19/16
Flash 223 The Race of His Life 2 05/24/16
Arrow 423 Schism 4 05/25/16
Flash 301 Flashpoint 3 10/04/16
Arrow 501 Legacy 5 10/05/16
Supergirl 201 The Adventures of Supergirl 2 10/10/16
Flash 302 Paradox 3 10/11/16
Arrow 502 The Recruits 5 10/12/16
Legends of Tomorrow 201 Out of Time 2 10/13/16
Vixen 201 Episode 1 2 10/13/16
Supergirl 202 The Last Children of Krypton 2 10/17/16
Flash 303 Magenta 3 10/18/16
Arrow 503 A Matter of Trust 5 10/19/16
Legends of Tomorrow 202 The Justice Society of America 2 10/20/16
Vixen 202 Episode 2 2 10/21/16
Supergirl 203 Welcome to Earth 2 10/24/16
Flash 304 The New Rogues 3 10/25/16
Arrow 504 Penance 5 10/26/16
Legends of Tomorrow 203 Shogun 2 10/27/16
Vixen 203 Episode 3 2 10/28/16
Supergirl 204 Survivors 2 10/31/16
Flash 305 Monster 3 11/01/16
Arrow 505 Human Targets 5 11/02/16
Legends of Tomorrow 204 Abominations 2 11/03/16
Vixen 204 Episode 4 2 11/04/16
Supergirl 205 Crossfire 2 11/07/16
Arrow 506 So It Begins 5 11/09/16
Legends of Tomorrow 205 Compromised 2 11/10/16
Vixen 205 Episode 5 2 11/11/16
Flash 306 Shade 3 11/15/16
Legends of Tomorrow 206 Outlaw Country 2 11/17/16
Vixen 206 Episode 6 2 11/18/16